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later this year a 3d printer will be

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heading to the space station this was a

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partnership between a commercial company

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called made in space and nasa's marshall

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space flight center so we would like to

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have the camera move to the cm bill

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hebscher spoke with mike snyder of

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maidenspace and nikki werkheiser from

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marshall to find out more about working

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with small businesses on projects like

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main space you know the goal the company

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is to

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advance manufacturing to space so that

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way we can change the logistics chain so

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it's easier to get there and me you know

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personally i'm a colonization advocate i

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realize that it's very important that we

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start expanding as a species not just

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exploring but staying there and this is

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one

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technology that's very crucial to that

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happening and it's going to benefit

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exploration and colonization and the

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things being produced uh can help

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research on earth let's shift gears a

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little bit can you tell me a bit about

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your partnership with marshall they're

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really crucial we talk to them all the

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time and there's great people here at

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marshall that you know helped us along

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the way with anything we we needed

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marshall has been crucial uh to this

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development process uh after our phase

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one we got actually during our phase one

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sbir we we talked to them and they were

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really interested actually uh ken cooper

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who was based here right now uh flew a

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uh uh

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added manufacturing device in the late

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90s aboard uh

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the vomit comet and so there was

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definite interest here already and we

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talked to ken early in the before we

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even worked the sbir actually understand

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you know what he learned from his

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experience what are some of the tools

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that you expect to be made using this

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device i guess the better question that

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one was what tools can't be made with a

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device

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you could do pretty much anything with

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3d printing it's very very unique

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technology capability because you can

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create geometries that you wouldn't be

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able to machine traditionally

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and that's really awesome because the

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best things that are going to come out

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of this i haven't thought of yet because

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people are opening just opening the door

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to new capabilities and understanding

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how it works and it's getting really

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cool in the future to see what people

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come up with currently with the

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technology demonstration we're using abs

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plastic the future generation of printer

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that goes up next year of a wide arrange

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of thermal polymers and some of those

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are aerospace grade this printer works

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like many added manufacturing devices

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work on the ground it deposits material

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layer upon layer and builds up a

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three-dimensional object think about a

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glue gun at home you know you just press

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the button and it you know squirts out

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if you kept going you can create objects

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in three dimensions that way and that's

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pretty much how the printer works uh the

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next step for us is this is a technology

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demonstration to uh uh to see if if it

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works properly and reduce risk for our

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commercial platform that goes up next

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year and that will be able to uh

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let anyone build what they want on

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station which is really exciting and

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really quick you can do it really

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quickly instead of waiting you know six

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months to a year for your rocket to go

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up you just press a button and

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your parts there the future rad

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manufacturing space in my opinion is

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very bright we're just now getting off

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the ground uh with this technology and

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utilizing it so pretty soon in the

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future we're gonna be able to build more

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useful things up there that are bigger

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and more complex with more components

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more materials and you know sooner

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sooner rather than later we'll be able

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to build you know spaceships up there uh

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it might seem far-fetched right now but

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if you think about how far the

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technology has gone the last 10 years

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and just expand that it's not out of the

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realm of possibilities which is really

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exciting uh because we need to get off

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this planet and explore and colonize and

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when we do that we're going to have so

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many benefits to the terrestrial

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environment that they're going to

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outweigh the the amount of effort it's

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going to take to get these type of

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technologies up there and working in

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space the 3d printer is the very first

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step toward realizing an in-space

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manufacturing suite of capabilities

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the printer is key and crucial to that

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we'll be doing multiple materials in the

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future we're starting with this abs

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plastic which is what you see in like

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legos for example

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but from there we'll move to other

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thermoplastics stronger thermoplastics

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that can do different types of parts in

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addition to that we'll eventually have a

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metals capability metals are a little

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trickier we're starting with the

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plastics because a lot of what you see

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on the ground for the metals will be a

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powder base you have a real fine powder

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that you use

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and we haven't figured out how to

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manipulate that in microgravity the

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powders are very hard to control

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so there are other processes that we're

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examining but in addition to that we

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just awarded two other phase one sbirs

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on a whole new topic related in space

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manufacturing uh we you can imagine in

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space flying up the feedstock is still a

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supply chain that we would like to

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be able to get rid of so one thing we're

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doing is we have a phase 1 sbr we just

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awarded to maiden space and tethers

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unlimited

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to look at how you would take the small

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plastic part that we print and you

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recycle it back into the raw feed stock

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so that is a very exciting day we would

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be you know sustainable in that case and

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then do the testing necessary how many

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times can you reuse and redo that one

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day what we'd like to be able to do is

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is turn things like our old food

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wrappers and water bottles on station

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the trash

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into feedstock and print from those so

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we'll be cranking that phase one sbr

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process up it's another example of how

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the sbr has been the perfect mechanism

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for this type of uh capability

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development

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so and then you even think bigger you

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start thinking about things um external

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to space station uh things like building

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trusses or large structures antenna

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many of the things that we build on the

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ground that we fly in space large

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structures like antenna or hubble space

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telescope when you're designing those

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you really have to kind of imagine what

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that environment will be in space and

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try to design for that but if you could

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actually

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build these things in space in the

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environment you're operating in you can

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build them to just that environment so

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it's kind of a mentality shift and a

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whole new way of thinking

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we have things like printable

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electronics that are in work on the

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ground that we would like to be able to

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translate

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into into space as well as things like

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in-space repair something like i know a

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lot of people seem to maybe gravity but

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mmod the micrometeorite damage is

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something we do worry about it could

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happen so this would be a way to